Former Governor John Engler joins James to talk politics, power, and what it takes to run a state without losing your mind—or your grip. From his start as a teen legislator to shaking up Michigan with bold reforms, Engler shares war stories and sharp takes on the leaders of today. It’s a crash course in political grit from a man who didn’t just play the game—he rewrote the rules.
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